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Is there more to 12th Avenue's new martial arts studio than meets the eye?

Here’s an interesting e-mail that was sent to both Spectator editor-in-chief Nick Lollini and myself yesterday afternoon from an SU student who will remain anonymous:
Hello,

My name is _____, and I'm going to be a sophomore at SU this fall. I just wanted to bring attention to the Spectator staff [of] an upcoming martial arts business right outside Seattle University on 12th Avenue. As I walk past the Lee Center, I see it many times on the other side of the street: an old building being repainted and renovated to look like an old Chinese building advertising the opening of a new martial arts school to train the mind. The martial art is called Oom Yung Doe and is started by a man referred to as "Grandmaster" Kim.

I recently started looking up more about this martial arts style, and I have found really questionable things about the organization. It seems like this martial arts group is more like a cult. Many crimes and controversies including exorbitant charges and mind control have been attributed to this group. It is said that they have changed their ways since a big lawsuit several years ago, but as a student at Seattle University, I feel that I have the responsibility to warn others to really research into the topic more before choosing to join it for convenience (since it is right outside SU).

This isn’t the first I’ve heard of Oom Yung Doe. I used to live down at 8th Avenue and Madison Street, and about a block up Madison – between Yoshino Teriyaki and Pho Saigon Restaurant – was the last incarnation of the school (which has since closed down relocated). I never went inside, but I often walked by and looked at the retro black and white photographs of Asian men jumping through the air with their eyes closed.

The head of the school had his own office located right near the window, and I often saw him sitting, fully robed, behind his desk. When his students would speak to him, they were always standing in the doorway to his office. I never once saw them go inside. Is this because they need permission to enter the lair of the master? Can’t say, but that’s definitely my guess.

The writer who sent the above e-mail also included these links to provide what he considers evidence of Oom Yung Doe’s potential cult status. There is a lot of good information worth reading here, and I really recommend checking it out and coming to your own conclusion. It is important to note that the accusations made in the e-mail are not proven. But the more you read, the more questions pop up.

If nothing else, the costs associated with participating seem absurd. A King 5 investigation in 2005 pointed out how expensive belonging to Oom Yung Doe really is:

Twenty-six-year-old Mike Rothwell is studying the time-honed movements of Tai Chi, the ancient Chinese art form.

But last year, the Seattle resident belonged to another martial arts school called Oom Yung Doe, a bone crushing form of self-defense.

Rothwell says all it broke was the bank.

"Let me add it up real fast. Roughly $9,000, plus $8,000, that's $17,000. I took seven seminars that averaged $500 dollars," Rothwell said.

All that money gone in about a year of training.

"I've lost at least $20,000," he said.

Another former student - who didn't want to give his name - says he lost $30,000 in months.

His payments included $9,300 up front for a black belt program, $9,000 more for a master intern program and a $1,000 testing fee.

A $1000 testing fee?! With that much money from each student, you'd think that at the very least the school's organizers would pay their taxes. Apparently not, says King 5:

Our investigation reveals Oom Yung Doe's roots are planted in a criminal past through a man named Robert Sawinski, a part owner of the Seattle-area chain.

Sawinski is one of a dozen instructors of the martial art - then known in Chicago as Chung Moo Qwan - that served federal prison sentences in the mid 1990s.

In news reports and in court, Chicago prosecutors alleged that the nationwide schools had a cult-like atmosphere as they made the case that founder, John C. Kim, [Spectator editors note: "Grandmaster" Kim?] skimmed millions of dollars of profits in a tax evasion case.

What do you think? Has anybody who reads this blog had any experience with the school of Oom Yung Doe, either locally or outside of Seattle? If you have, please share. If there really is a story here, then it will likely be developed into an investigative piece for The Spectator once school starts up again. The more information we have going into it, the better. I'd imagine that, if these allegations are true, letting students fall into the supposed financial and emotional traps of Oom Yung Doe is the last thing Seattle University administrators would want.
Published Wednesday, August 01, 2007 2:27 PM by lagattar
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Kelsey Luck said:

Please tell your sophomore tipster that I say thank you very much. I am looking into kickboxing or other possible self-defense classes, and I'm very glad that I haven't started looking before reading this article. Thanks to you, too, Spectator editors! :D
August 1, 2007 7:32 PM
 

justinjmartin said:

Hi,

My name is Justin Martin and I graduated from the Matteo Ricci program at SU in 1995.  I have been training in Oom Yung Doe for the past 9 years and my only regret is that I did not find any of these schools sooner.  

I started training at the First Hill School of Oom Yung Doe when it was on Madison in 1998 because I worked nearby and I always wanted to train in martial arts.  I had studied aikido and karate a little, but I had never really felt like I was getting very much out of them.  But in the first few weeks of training in Oom Yung Doe I felt totally changed.  

I used to have issues with my emotional and physical health but my training has alleviated those issues.  The physical ones went away first - little stuff but things for which people normally use medication.  I was very glad not to be stuck on over-the-counter meds for the forseeable future.  Then my emotional and mental states began to change and I felt myself finally free of the depression, obsessive thinking, and negativity which had plagued me for years.  

I have seen so many positive things in these schools.  The instructors I have known have always behaved ethically and have carried themselves with honor, integrity, and compassion.  I have seen people from all walks of life, all professions, and all conditions, improve themselves in school.  

In terms of physical improvement, I can think of about eight people off the top of my head who experienced dramatic positive changes.  Most of them I know personally.  I'll mention a few of them:

There was a student with Parkinson's Disease who walked on crutches when she came into school and had frequent seizures.  After one to two years of training, she no longer needed the crutches and her seizures had almost completely stopped.  I heard that she also successfully defended herself from a mugger as well.

There have been several students who have come in with severe rheumatoid arthritis.  One of them couldn't stand, sit, or walk without severe pain.  After a few years of training, she climbed Mt. Rainier twice.  

There have been students who have been told by western doctors that nothing could be done for their conditions; conditions such as broken backs, fibromyalgia, and destroyed knees.  They have all either improved, reversed, or cured their conditions.

And there are hundreds more written and video testimonials from people who have experienced similar results.  There are also an equal number of testimonials from people who have experience positive results in their emotional and mental well-being.  And think about this:  if the training can do that for people who are starting off with such disadvantages, imagine what it can do for people who start off without those disadvantages?  

Oom Yung Doe provides correct training to develop one's mind, body, and spirit to their fullest.  The older a practitioner is, and the more he or she has trained, the stronger he or she becomes.  I don't know of any other discipline which can demonstrate such results.  

If you stop by the school there is a DVD which contains several positive news stories from schools around the country as well as testimonial books which contain some excellent testimonials from current and former students and instructors.  Anyone is welcome to watch the DVD and read through the books.  There are also photos and thank-yous from some of the many charities and non-profit organizations with which the schools have worked over the years.  

There is some negative talk about OYD on the Web.  I have seen it myself.  It's unfortunate that some people have had what they feel to be negative experiences with some schools or instructors.  But please don't allow a vocal minority (a cliche, I know, but an appropriate one) to make up your mind for you.  Remember that our own institution, Seattle U., has had at least one very upsetting tragedy recently.  Would you judge the entire school based on that one incident?  

Also, if you are curious about the costs of training or would like to verify any information that you receive from other sources, every school has a set of posters publicly displayed which fully detail the costs of training.  These are nationally established costs, and every school is required to adhere to them (except for the occasional special offer or promotional discount in the local schools).  I will be the first to admit that it is not as cheap as Billy Joe Bob's Tae Kwon Doe.  This is because the training you receive is considerably more valuable.  In fact, I think of it as my graduate program.  People in Asian countries often dedicate their lives to this type of training, while we in America can have it just for paying.  Of course, if you just pay but don't put any effort in, you won't get the results.  Either way, I can't put a price on what I have gotten out of this training, and I think the people who have cured or alleviated serious conditions through Oom Yung Doe training would agree.

To conclude, I sincerely hope that every person who would like to improve him- or herself mentally, physically, and spiritually stops by an Oom Yung Doe school to try the training.  The training will fit by any person, any body type, any age, or any condition.  There are other paths to improve oneself as well, Oom Yung Doe is just one way.  But it has been repeatedly demonstrated to be the safest and quickest way.  You can read all you want about a subject, but unless you are out there experiencing it you will never truly know about it.  In fact, the First Hill school is currently offering free classes two or three days a week for anyone associated with SU.  Try them.  If you don't like them, you don't have to stay.

Thank you.
August 21, 2007 5:28 PM
 

justinjmartin said:

Oh, and I forgot to mention that the training does not just involve physical movement; it also involves herbs and meditation.  I could write a lot more about these things but I don't want to fill up this whole blog so I'll leave it at that.  Stop by the school to learn more about them.  

Thank you.
August 22, 2007 9:51 AM
 

gato said:

I am so glad to see the last comments to this article.  The article was horrible and very untrue, there are many students who have been going for sometime and they love it.  i agree, stop by and check it out don't believe the voice of someone who obviously doesn't know what he is talking about.  The school is wonderful and has helped many people.  The instructor is offering students some specials i believe so they can decide for themselves.  Don't let someone else make a decision for you.
August 26, 2007 2:04 PM
 

thomas_deleon said:

I felt that it is important I respond to this, as I am both a part of the School of Oom Yung Doe, and a senior at Seattle University.  I have been training in this school for twelve years now.  I can say without a doubt, that I have never experienced anything that is negative, in all the years of my training.  Difficult, yes, sometimes the training can be incredibly challenging, but the challenges have only made me a better person.  I have seen so many good things come from training, both for myself and for others, it is very disappointing to see something like this.

As you have seen, we recently moved the school to the new location on 12th ave.  I personally have spent many hours working on the construction of the school, along with many other instructors and students who have put time and effort into it as well.  You may remember the condition of that building prior to the school moving in.  It had been boarded up for many years, and was run down and filled with trash.  Over the course of several months, we have completely redone everything ourselves.  People that walk by have commented on how it makes the block look so much better.  It has been amazing to see what people can accomplish when they work together and set their minds to accomplish something.  So it is personal to me to see something like this written about the school, after all of the efforts from myself and everyone else.

In the last few months, I have had the opportunity to begin teaching others.  This has been very challenging for me, but has been extremely rewarding.  Throughout the years of my own training, I have benefited in countless ways, and have always looked up to the care and sincerity that every instructor in the school has.  Now I see first hand just how much thought an instructor puts into everything that they do.

Speaking in front of others has always been very difficult for me.  Being a college student, as you know it is something that you have to be able to do.  Since I have started teaching, I am now confident when in front of others.  As an example, I had to give a presentation last spring, and for the first time I was not nervous at all.  I was absolutely amazed.  I could finally do something that I was challenged with for a long time.  And more importantly than my own benefits, I have started to see some of the students that I teach change for the better as well.  Some of them have thanked me for teaching them, and it is an incredible feeling to know that I have been a part of them improving themselves, even if it is small.

The school as an organization has always been very involved in community events, throughout the nation.  One of the unique things about Oom Yung Doe is that aside from the physical movements, there are also principles that are taught.  One of these is of the importance of helping others and building community.  So being involved with the community through events and charities has always been something important to all of us.  There is a book in the school with photos of many of the events that we have participated in over the years, and anyone is welcome to look through this if they like.

When we first started working on this specific school, we specifically wanted to offer more things to the local community, especially to the university community of students.  We currently have free lessons for students to come in and learn in some basic areas such as self-defense, meditation/stress relief, and strength and flexibility.  Anyone is always welcome to come in and try a lesson, or ask any questions they might have.

I know that I have gained in so many ways from my own training, and no matter what anyone says, no one can ever take that away from me.  Instructors in the school are human, and do their best to follow the principles taught.  However like any organization that is made up of people, people can make a mistake.  Because an individual makes a mistake, you cannot say that the entire organization is bad.  You need look no further than our own university, and the recent abuse settlement.  If the university is truly bad because of that one individual, than none of us should be students here.

Having a positive effect on another person, no matter how small, is, to me, one of the greatest things one can achieve in life.  It is worth more to me than any amount of money.  I truly believe that the schools teach a way of improving myself and the community around me.  I know that if I improve myself, I will have a better life.  If I have a better life, it will improve those around me.  If it improves the lives of those around me, it will help build a better community for all.  So, to all I say come in and experience the training for yourself, not by what others say.

Sincerely,

Thomas De Leon
September 3, 2007 6:18 PM
 

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